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| sci.geo.satellite-nav (Global Satellite Navigation) (sci.geo.satellite-nav) Discussion of global navigation satellite systems (GNSS). Topics include the technical aspects of GNSS operation, user experiences in the use of GNSS, information regarding GNSS products and discussion of GNSS policy (such as GPS selective availability). |
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Read the article I wrote on the SVN 49 issue. It is out on the Inside GNSS
"frontpage" (http://insidegnss.com) now and will be included in the July/August printed version The article nicely shows and explains what is being done and why that works (for "ordinary" users). For the direct link to the article visit my blog at: http://gnss.servolux.nl/gnss_blog.html Tim |
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On Jun 25, 6:14*am, "Tim Springer"
wrote: Read the article I wrote on the SVN 49 issue. It is out on the Inside GNSS "frontpage" (http://insidegnss.com) now and will be included in the July/August printed version The article nicely shows and explains what is being done and why that works (for "ordinary" users). For the direct link to the article visit my blog at:http://gnss.servolux.nl/gnss_blog.html Tim "The tweaking of the satellite broadcast ephemerides and time is designed to reduce the pseudorange error to within the specifications for GPS Standard Positioning Service and Precise Positioning Service." That ain't no .75 meters! More later when I have time. --Mike Jr |
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On Jun 25, 7:34*am, Mike Jr wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:14*am, "Tim Springer" wrote: Read the article I wrote on the SVN 49 issue. It is out on the Inside GNSS "frontpage" (http://insidegnss.com) now and will be included in the July/August printed version The article nicely shows and explains what is being done and why that works (for "ordinary" users). For the direct link to the article visit my blog at:http://gnss.servolux.nl/gnss_blog.html Tim "The tweaking of the satellite broadcast ephemerides and time is designed to reduce the pseudorange error to within the specifications for GPS Standard Positioning Service and Precise Positioning Service." That ain't no .75 meters! More later when I have time. --Mike Jr Tim, The specification for the GPS Standard Positioning Service is 100 meters. Some very smart and hardworking people have managed to get the Unexplained Range Error down to .75 meters. It is this level of service that people have come to expect and rely on from GPS. Now the wing wants to throw this brick, the "worst performing block IIA in the constellation", at the users and try to hide behind a 100 meter requirement that was long ago left in the dust bins. The wing is looking for political cover. Lets examine just some of the consequences. 1. DOT wants to use GPS for real time tracking of railroad train positions. Just imagine a future crash because someone thought the on coming train was on the other track. 2. DOT needs to land airplanes. 3. The end users, DOT/DoD/Intel/RTK are going to have to adjust their equipment to ignore this bad bird. What is that going to cost? 3. The wing's perceived incompetence in managing the GPS constellation is only stoking the fires for Galileo. Galileo is on the ropes because their business model doesn't make sense ("We are going to charge you for precise positioning. What? GPS gives you .75 meter URE for free. Curse those Americans!") But now they can point to the wing's handling of SVN049 and say, "See. You need us". 4. The Obama administration would love to take GPS away from the military and give it to DOT. "Under DOT we can play nice with the Europeans!". This would be a disaster for the DoD/Intel community who need a military GPS. I don't think the wing has thought this through. Man, that block IIF sure better shine when it gets launched. BTW, how can Boeing launch eight IIF satellites in 2010 when it takes about six months to bring the first in a new block online? These are interesting times. --Mike Jr |
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"Mike Jr" wrote in message
... Tim, The specification for the GPS Standard Positioning Service is 100 meters. That's the SA-on value...I believe it is essentially 6 meters URE. I think the SPS generally tells you navigation performance over the constellation, not per-satellite ranging errors. Some very smart and hardworking people have managed to get the Unexplained Range Error down to .75 meters. It is this level of service that people have come to expect and rely on from GPS. Now the wing wants to throw this brick, the "worst performing block IIA in the constellation", at the users and try to hide behind a 100 meter requirement that was long ago left in the dust bins. Calm down, Mike. First, it's a IIR(M), not a IIA. More importantly, if you look at Tim's Figure 2, you should conclude that the average bias (error on top of the standard noise) is the difference between his 4th-order fit (dashed line) and the 150*(1 - cos(eta)) solid line. That error is about 0.6 meters peak. That means the typical RMS error will rise from something like 0.7 meters (typical IIR) to 0.8 meters if you RSS those two numbers; meaning it should generally stay below 1.0 meters in real practice. So, it'll be worse than most if not all the other IIR's (and IIR(M)'s), but better than most of the IIA's. Look at http://gps.afspc.af.mil/gpsoc/products/uclas_sisure.jpg to get a sense of typical URE's. -Marty |
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"Mike Jr" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... On Jun 25, 7:34 am, Mike Jr wrote: On Jun 25, 6:14 am, "Tim Springer" wrote: Read the article I wrote on the SVN 49 issue. It is out on the Inside GNSS "frontpage" (http://insidegnss.com) now and will be included in the July/August printed version The article nicely shows and explains what is being done and why that works (for "ordinary" users). For the direct link to the article visit my blog at:http://gnss.servolux.nl/gnss_blog.html Tim "The tweaking of the satellite broadcast ephemerides and time is designed to reduce the pseudorange error to within the specifications for GPS Standard Positioning Service and Precise Positioning Service." That ain't no .75 meters! More later when I have time. --Mike Jr Tim, The specification for the GPS Standard Positioning Service is 100 meters. Some very smart and hardworking people have managed to get the Unexplained Range Error down to .75 meters. It is this level of service that people have come to expect and rely on from GPS. Now the wing wants to throw this brick, the "worst performing block IIA in the constellation", at the users and try to hide behind a 100 meter requirement that was long ago left in the dust bins. The wing is looking for political cover. Lets examine just some of the consequences. 1. DOT wants to use GPS for real time tracking of railroad train positions. Just imagine a future crash because someone thought the on coming train was on the other track. 2. DOT needs to land airplanes. 3. The end users, DOT/DoD/Intel/RTK are going to have to adjust their equipment to ignore this bad bird. What is that going to cost? 3. The wing's perceived incompetence in managing the GPS constellation is only stoking the fires for Galileo. Galileo is on the ropes because their business model doesn't make sense ("We are going to charge you for precise positioning. What? GPS gives you .75 meter URE for free. Curse those Americans!") But now they can point to the wing's handling of SVN049 and say, "See. You need us". 4. The Obama administration would love to take GPS away from the military and give it to DOT. "Under DOT we can play nice with the Europeans!". This would be a disaster for the DoD/Intel community who need a military GPS. I don't think the wing has thought this through. Man, that block IIF sure better shine when it gets launched. BTW, how can Boeing launch eight IIF satellites in 2010 when it takes about six months to bring the first in a new block online? These are interesting times. --Mike Jr Mike, First of all Marty is right. With this correction the GPS navigation performance will stay close to its current level. So the correction is very well suited for that, so no worries. For landing airplanes and train tracking typically more advanced algorithms are used and the phase measurements come into play. The SVN49 anomaly does NOT impact the phase measurements and there all is fine. Only for some special uses of the code care will have to be taken. So, yes, that requires some work on the algorithm side but that is basically good for economy since it generates/keeps jobs. Also, note that that only impacts the software on the "server side". Typically for landing airplanes there is a service provider ("server side") who computes accurate orbits and clocks and sends those to the airplane, e.g., as corrections/improvements to the broadcast. The airplane ("client side") uses this information to compute its position in the normal way. For the "client side" no changes are needed since the "server side" will handle it for him. However, there are two issues I worry about: 1. Is this bias stable over time!? If not that would be a "killer" 2. Why do the Trimble receivers not see this bias? On one hand this indicates that we may solve the problem by improving/changing the receiver tracking loops. On the other hand it makes the bias receiver dependent which would be "killer" as well. So until October there is enough to be investigated......... Your point that turning SVN49 to healthy with this bias will complicate things is a very true statement and should be considered carefully! Tim http://gnss.servolux.nl |
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On 26 Giu, 03:06, Mike Jr wrote:
On Jun 25, 7:34*am, Mike Jr wrote: On Jun 25, 6:14*am, "Tim Springer" wrote: Read the article I wrote on the SVN 49 issue. It is out on the Inside GNSS "frontpage" (http://insidegnss.com) now and will be included in the July/August printed version The article nicely shows and explains what is being done and why that works (for "ordinary" users). For the direct link to the article visit my blog at:http://gnss.servolux.nl/gnss_blog.html Tim "The tweaking of the satellite broadcast ephemerides and time is designed to reduce the pseudorange error to within the specifications for GPS Standard Positioning Service and Precise Positioning Service." That ain't no .75 meters! More later when I have time. --Mike Jr Tim, *The specification for the GPS Standard Positioning Service is 100 meters. Some very smart and hardworking people have managed to get the Unexplained Range Error down to .75 meters. *It is this level of service that people have come to expect and rely on from GPS. *Now the wing wants to throw this brick, the "worst performing block IIA in the constellation", at the users and try to hide behind a 100 meter requirement that was long ago left in the dust bins. The wing is looking for political cover. *Lets examine just some of the consequences. 1. DOT wants to use GPS for real time tracking of railroad train positions. *Just imagine a future crash because someone thought the on coming train was on the other track. And are they going to try to determine the track where the train is using GPS L1-C/A code only? I really hope they use something more reliable, independently from the status of SVN49. If for any reason a bird goes bad... you start crashing all the trains? ![]() 2. DOT needs to land airplanes. I really hope they are not going to land airplanes using GPS L1-CA code only... 3. The end users, DOT/DoD/Intel/RTK are going to have to adjust their equipment to ignore this bad bird. *What is that going to cost? It's very easy, just a command on the serial port usually. I you really want precision, you should be able to handle this situation wthout any problems. If you can't disable a satellite, then you sistem is really broken by design. ![]() 3. The wing's perceived incompetence in managing the GPS constellation is only stoking the fires for Galileo. *Galileo is on the ropes because their business model doesn't make sense ("We are going to charge you for precise positioning. *What? GPS gives you .75 meter URE for free. *Curse those Americans!") *But now they can point to the wing's handling of SVN049 and say, "See. *You need us". I think you miss the point. The target of SVN049 was another one. And the main target of that mission was reached. [cut] |
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On Jun 25, 6:14*am, "Tim Springer"
wrote: Read the article I wrote on the SVN 49 issue. It is out on the Inside GNSS "frontpage" (http://insidegnss.com) now and will be included in the July/August printed version The article nicely shows and explains what is being done and why that works (for "ordinary" users). For the direct link to the article visit my blog at:http://gnss.servolux.nl/gnss_blog.html Tim A satellite error less than a meter is significant for the Standard Positioning Service (SPS) in that it's small enough to be swamped by uncertainties introduced through ionospheric transit delays. Of course, its more significant for two frequency systems that actually attempt to measure the the delays. Practically speaking, my SPS accuracy is typically 15 feet (4.6 meter) on the open water at the Chesapeake Bay (N 39 deg). That's good enough to find a mark in poorest visual conditions. That's really good enough for car navigators; my TomTom map database is often less accurate than GPS. I'd also say its good enough for locating trains also but I would hope the actual train movement is also controlled by state-of-art signaling systems. We know FAA operates WAAS for landing airplanes (SPS) and has estaplished approach procedures for most North American airports. http://www.nstb.tc.faa.gov/RT_Vertic...ctionLevel.htm I'd hope the conventional Instrument Landing System (ILS) is retained as a cross check. ILS has served us for over 50 years. I haven't noticed any important improvement in horizontal accuracy with WAAS. Perhaps vertical accuracy is improved but I haven't studied that. A major criticism of NAVSTAR is an inability to convey real time information about individual satellite health. WAAS attempts to solve this problem by immediately instructing receivers to ignore out of tolerance satellites when the Ground Segment detects a problem. Every satellite now receives continuous monitoring through an expanded ground network so malfunctions are quickly detected. The Air Force cannot 'Tap Dance' around accuracy degradation by hiding behind self imposed easy to meet specifications. They might retain technical control but they have lost political control. The world will not buy that act. --- CHAS |
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On Jun 26, 10:39 am, HIPAR wrote:
We know FAA operates WAAS for landing airplanes (SPS) and has estaplished approach procedures for most North American airports. http://www.nstb.tc.faa.gov/RT_Vertic...ctionLevel.htm WAAS does not have the required accuracy to safely provide guidance all the way to landing. The current WAAS instrument approaches have approach minima of 200 ft, or higher, above the airport elevation. Once reaching the approach minima, the crew must be able to see the runway and/or approach lights, take over control of the aircraft, and land it manually using the human eye for guidance. The list of WAAS approaches, with approach minima for each approach, can be found on the FAA site: http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...s_offices/ato/ service_units/techops/navservices/gnss/approaches/media/LPVs_060409 (ALL).xls -- Kevin Horton Ottawa, Canada |
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