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Russian GLONASS monitoring stations all but barred in US



 
 
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Old December 29th 13, 03:35 PM posted to sci.geo.satellite-nav
Alan Browne
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Default Russian GLONASS monitoring stations all but barred in US


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/29/wo...ref=technology

The law does allow for such stations in the US - but only if built and
run by Americans and that the data be sent out non-encrypted. So if the
Russians are truly interested only in GLONASS quality they could have
such a facility built.

I'd be surprised if the USAF is not already monitoring GLONASS precision
and could simply sell the data to Russia in realtime.

Otherwise an enterprising firm could pitch to the Ruskies...

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Old December 29th 13, 03:38 PM posted to sci.geo.satellite-nav
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On 12/29/13, 10:35 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/29/wo...ref=technology

Russia first broached the idea of erecting the domed antenna
structures here nearly two years ago, saying they would significantly
improve the accuracy and reliability of its version of the Global
Positioning System, the American satellite network that steers
bomb-bearing warplanes to their targets and wayward motorists to
their destinations.

Congressional Republicans, however, harbored suspicions that Russia
had nefarious motives behind its plan, which the State Department
supported as a means to mend bruised relations between the two rival
nations. The Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency sided with
congressional critics, concerned about handing the Russians an
opening to snoop on the United States within its borders.



Thanks Alan.
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Old December 29th 13, 09:18 PM posted to sci.geo.satellite-nav
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Default Russian GLONASS monitoring stations all but barred in US

On 2013.12.29, 11:38 , Sam Wormley wrote:
On 12/29/13, 10:35 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/29/wo...ref=technology


Russia first broached the idea of erecting the domed antenna
structures here nearly two years ago, saying they would significantly
improve the accuracy and reliability of its version of the Global
Positioning System, the American satellite network that steers
bomb-bearing warplanes to their targets and wayward motorists to
their destinations.

Congressional Republicans, however, harbored suspicions that Russia
had nefarious motives behind its plan, which the State Department
supported as a means to mend bruised relations between the two rival
nations. The Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency sided with
congressional critics, concerned about handing the Russians an
opening to snoop on the United States within its borders.



Thanks Alan.


Most welcome. Happy Holidays.

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Old December 30th 13, 10:50 AM posted to sci.geo.satellite-nav
Joop[_3_]
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Default Russian GLONASS monitoring stations all but barred in US

On 29-12-2013 17:35, Alan Browne wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/29/wo...ref=technology


The law does allow for such stations in the US - but only if built and
run by Americans and that the data be sent out non-encrypted. So if the
Russians are truly interested only in GLONASS quality they could have
such a facility built.

I'd be surprised if the USAF is not already monitoring GLONASS precision
and could simply sell the data to Russia in realtime.

Otherwise an enterprising firm could pitch to the Ruskies...


Ionosferic correction data could be provided by any interested private
person. Monitoring precision is not extremely difficult anymore.

This could become a crowd driven functionality. Like weather sites that
receive data from private weather monitoring stations (amongst others),
or marine/aircraft monitoring, or the internet time services (ntp pools).

Of course it's a bit different when the clocks aboard needs to be
corrected...

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Old January 1st 14, 04:24 PM posted to sci.geo.satellite-nav
Alan Browne
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Default Russian GLONASS monitoring stations all but barred in US

On 2013.12.30, 06:50 , Joop wrote:
On 29-12-2013 17:35, Alan Browne wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/29/wo...ref=technology



The law does allow for such stations in the US - but only if built and
run by Americans and that the data be sent out non-encrypted. So if the
Russians are truly interested only in GLONASS quality they could have
such a facility built.

I'd be surprised if the USAF is not already monitoring GLONASS precision
and could simply sell the data to Russia in realtime.

Otherwise an enterprising firm could pitch to the Ruskies...


Ionosferic correction data could be provided by any interested private


Not sure why the iron ions need correcting...

person. Monitoring precision is not extremely difficult anymore.

This could become a crowd driven functionality. Like weather sites that
receive data from private weather monitoring stations (amongst others),
or marine/aircraft monitoring, or the internet time services (ntp pools).


Agree completely - but I doubt it will come about - the receivers would
not be cheap and commissioning sites would be require accurate survey,
high end multipath rejection antennas and a qualified processing chain.


Of course it's a bit different when the clocks aboard needs to be
corrected...


Easily done when the sats are in view of other GLONASS sites.


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Old January 5th 14, 05:50 PM posted to sci.geo.satellite-nav
Marcelo Pacheco
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Default Russian GLONASS monitoring stations all but barred in US

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 2:35:42 PM UTC-2, Alan Browne wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/29/wo...ref=technology



The law does allow for such stations in the US - but only if built and

run by Americans and that the data be sent out non-encrypted. So if the

Russians are truly interested only in GLONASS quality they could have

such a facility built.



I'd be surprised if the USAF is not already monitoring GLONASS precision

and could simply sell the data to Russia in realtime.



Otherwise an enterprising firm could pitch to the Ruskies...



--

“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”

- Mike Tyson


Hum, GLONASS also has the civilian/military signals.
They would want to monitor both, without giving away their military encryption keys to untrusted sources. So as long as they give up on monitoring their own military signal, they could do it, but I would assume that's not the intent.
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Old January 6th 14, 08:33 PM posted to sci.geo.satellite-nav
Alan Browne
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Default Russian GLONASS monitoring stations all but barred in US

On 2014.01.05, 13:50 , Marcelo Pacheco wrote:

Hum, GLONASS also has the civilian/military signals. They would want
to monitor both, without giving away their military encryption keys
to untrusted sources.


The GLONASS military code is not encrypted.

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