"Pete Zahut" dont@bother wrote:

I can assure you Mr. Firth, I want no favours from you. I merely want you to
back up your claim

How quaint, well you can want.

"Mike Coon" wrote:


Surely the point is that you are entitled to your opinion, but without a bit
of explanation or justification (not really evidence) why should anyone else
adopt it?

Do I look like I care if you want to listen ot my experience or not? The
prat posting with a stupid name, didn't provide any evidence just a
fanboy rant that he's used one satnav, only, and that of the one unit
he's tried it was definitely the best.

Now, since you're another stupid name user I'm sure you'll understand it
if I ignore you as well?

Steve Firth wrote:
"Mike Coon" wrote:


Surely the point is that you are entitled to your opinion, but
without a bit of explanation or justification (not really evidence)
why should anyone else adopt it?

Do I look like I care if you want to listen ot my experience or not?
The prat posting with a stupid name, didn't provide any evidence

You made the statement that quote outside the UK then the Garmin becomes a
no-brainer /quote so it's up to you to back up and prove that claim, not
down to me to disprove it. I've already said that I can't disprove it as
I've only got experience of TomTom. You may want to believe otherwise but I
am not trying to cause an argument or trip you up in any way. I'm genuinely
interested and if your statement can be substantiated, I may well consider
buying a Garmin when My TomTom dies because I drive extensively round europe
and if a Garmin can do the job better than a TomTom, fair enough - I'll buy
one.

I have to go away tomorrow morning and will be back on Thursday so I look
forward to reading your reasoned thought and proof that outside the UK a
Garmin is far superior to a TomTom when I return.

just
a fanboy rant that he's used one satnav, only, and that of the one
unit he's tried it was definitely the best.

Now, since you're another stupid name user I'm sure you'll understand
it if I ignore you as well?

Just admit it Steve - you made a claim that you cannot substantiate and now
you degenerate into insults in an attempt to save face. Ironically, by
throwing insults you've already lost face.

"Pete Zahut" dont@bother wrote:

Just admit it Steve - you made a claim that you cannot substantiate and now
you degenerate into insults in an attempt to save face. Ironically, by
throwing insults you've already lost face.

Oh FFS. You can come back when you come back from your jolly, you can
come back in a month, you can come back every day if you wish and ask
the same question, or rather make the same demand. As long as you do so
from behind a stupid pseudonym and as long as you remain as boorish,
arrogant and demanding as you have been in this thread and in another
thread in another newsgroup I will feel no need to answer you.

You can be as rude as you like, you can tell lies as you have done above
if you like. You can in short stamp your foot and do a complete Violet
Elizabeth Bott. You can even thcweam and thcweam and thcweam until you
are thick, and it really won't have much effect on me other to confirm
my opinion that you're a childish troll.

There's a way to get an answer and you haven't tried it yet, sonny.

Jeremy Parker wrote on Jun 28, 2009:

5 My satnav doesn't know the names of intersections. It just says,
"in 200 yards (or whatever) turn left", with a second warning at the
intersection. That works well enough, but names might be better...

I think I must be alone in disliking this feature (TTS - text to speech as
Garmin calls it). My StreetPilot has this and will announce "Turn left onto
Marlborough Street" or whatever. To me this is very rarely any help at all,
since (as you will know) street names are usually not prominently displayed
in Europe. It seems to me the only people who are likely to know all the
street names in an area are the postman and locals who live there - neither
of whom are likely to be using a satnav.

Also if you go abroad, the English satnav voices make such a horrible mess of
pronouncing foreign names that I find it an embarrassment to hear them spoken
at all. ('Rue des Victoires' will come out as Roo Dez Victoyerez etc)

--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire

In article , T wrote:
My choice will have to be a Garmin then because TomTom charge an
annual sub for their Live services, seems a bit much for traffic
updates, ...

Careful ... there are several different ways to receive live traffic
information, one way uses data picked up from FM radio and is free (once
you've paid for the receiver, either included with a satnav unit or
purchased separately) another uses data picked up from a mobile phone --
which will normally cost you, both for the data and for the call, but
gives a much higher quality of information.

TomTom offer traffic data from FM radio (using the signal from Classic
FM, in the UK) which is free on any device that can receive it (the
models with a 'T' suffix, or any model fitted with the optional TMS
receiver), they also offer their own service via your mobile phone for a
few pounds a month (which may seem expensive if you don't use it a lot).

I've just been looking at Garmin's website, and they talk about an "FM
Traffic Subscription" which seems to use the radio signal, but (somehow)
costs £30 for the life of the device. I don't see any mention there of
anything free, but it may just be a badly laid-out website on which the
desired information is hard to find. It may just be that £30 is what
Garmin charge for a TMC receiver, but it doesn't look that way ...

Cheers,
Daniel.

In uk.rec.gps, Mike Lane wrote:
Jeremy Parker wrote on Jun 28, 2009:

5 My satnav doesn't know the names of intersections. It just says,
"in 200 yards (or whatever) turn left", with a second warning at the
intersection. That works well enough, but names might be better...

I think I must be alone in disliking this feature (TTS - text to speech as
Garmin calls it). My StreetPilot has this and will announce "Turn left onto
Marlborough Street" or whatever. To me this is very rarely any help at all,
since (as you will know) street names are usually not prominently displayed
in Europe. It seems to me the only people who are likely to know all the
street names in an area are the postman and locals who live there - neither
of whom are likely to be using a satnav.

I quite like TTS so I can't disagree with your opinion that you might be
alone. Street signs are pretty easy to see most of the time in my
experience.

Also if you go abroad, the English satnav voices make such a horrible mess of
pronouncing foreign names that I find it an embarrassment to hear them spoken
at all. ('Rue des Victoires' will come out as Roo Dez Victoyerez etc)

Better to switch the announcements to the language of the country you're
in, if the satnav has that feature. Translating the directions I hear is
fun and educational.

--
Mike Barnes

Mike Barnes wrote on Jun 29, 2009:

In uk.rec.gps, Mike Lane wrote:
Jeremy Parker wrote on Jun 28, 2009:

5 My satnav doesn't know the names of intersections. It just says,
"in 200 yards (or whatever) turn left", with a second warning at the
intersection. That works well enough, but names might be better...

I think I must be alone in disliking this feature (TTS - text to speech as
Garmin calls it). My StreetPilot has this and will announce "Turn left onto
Marlborough Street" or whatever. To me this is very rarely any help at all,
since (as you will know) street names are usually not prominently displayed
in Europe. It seems to me the only people who are likely to know all the
street names in an area are the postman and locals who live there - neither
of whom are likely to be using a satnav.

I quite like TTS so I can't disagree with your opinion that you might be
alone. Street signs are pretty easy to see most of the time in my
experience.

I don't know where you live but where I come from road signs always refer to
road numbers (A30, B304 etc.), rather than names. It's only in residential
urban areas that road names are displayed at all and then they are designed
to be read by pedestrians rather than motorists (i.e. they are placed low
down on the side of the road and hence are often only visible as you actually
pass them). As I said that's fine for the postman or if you actually live
there, but not if you are driving through.

Also if you go abroad, the English satnav voices make such a horrible mess
of
pronouncing foreign names that I find it an embarrassment to hear them
spoken
at all. ('Rue des Victoires' will come out as Roo Dez Victoyerez etc)

Better to switch the announcements to the language of the country you're
in, if the satnav has that feature. Translating the directions I hear is
fun and educational.

That might be OK if you're an accomplished linguist, but while I might just
about manage in French, my German and Italian are distinctly flakey, and my
Greek and Spanish virtually non-existent I'm ashamed to say

--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire

In uk.rec.gps, Mike Lane wrote:
Mike Barnes wrote on Jun 29, 2009:

In uk.rec.gps, Mike Lane wrote:
Jeremy Parker wrote on Jun 28, 2009:

5 My satnav doesn't know the names of intersections. It just says,
"in 200 yards (or whatever) turn left", with a second warning at the
intersection. That works well enough, but names might be better...

I think I must be alone in disliking this feature (TTS - text to speech as
Garmin calls it). My StreetPilot has this and will announce "Turn left onto
Marlborough Street" or whatever. To me this is very rarely any help at all,
since (as you will know) street names are usually not prominently displayed
in Europe. It seems to me the only people who are likely to know all the
street names in an area are the postman and locals who live there - neither
of whom are likely to be using a satnav.

I quite like TTS so I can't disagree with your opinion that you might be
alone. Street signs are pretty easy to see most of the time in my
experience.

I don't know where you live but where I come from road signs always refer to
road numbers (A30, B304 etc.), rather than names. It's only in residential
urban areas that road names are displayed at all and then they are designed
to be read by pedestrians rather than motorists (i.e. they are placed low
down on the side of the road and hence are often only visible as you actually
pass them). As I said that's fine for the postman or if you actually live
there, but not if you are driving through.

It's simply not true that road name signs are only in residential urban
areas. And even when they are, if the road's not busy, I usually find
them easy to read. Not always, of course, but usually.

Also if you go abroad, the English satnav voices make such a horrible mess
of
pronouncing foreign names that I find it an embarrassment to hear them
spoken
at all. ('Rue des Victoires' will come out as Roo Dez Victoyerez etc)

Better to switch the announcements to the language of the country you're
in, if the satnav has that feature. Translating the directions I hear is
fun and educational.

That might be OK if you're an accomplished linguist, but while I might just
about manage in French, my German and Italian are distinctly flakey, and my
Greek and Spanish virtually non-existent I'm ashamed to say

Consider it an opportunity for improvement. Correlate what you hear with
what you see.

--
Mike Barnes

Mike Barnes wrote on Jun 30, 2009:

That might be OK if you're an accomplished linguist, but while I might just
about manage in French, my German and Italian are distinctly flakey, and my
Greek and Spanish virtually non-existent I'm ashamed to say

Consider it an opportunity for improvement. Correlate what you hear with
what you see.

Thank you so much for your advice. I will bear it in mind

--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire